In December 2022, world leaders at the Convention on Biological Diversity adopted a proposal to conserve 30% of the Earth by 2030. This proposal was highly controversial and has met with varied reactions from Indigenous Peoples. In this episode, hosts Claudia Deeg and Devin Domeyer discuss the history of conservation’s violence towards Indigenous Peoples, Indigenous Peoples' perspectives on the 30 by 30 proposal, and what happened during the negotiations. This episode features an interview with Jennifer (Jing) Corpuz, lead negotiator on conservation targets for the International Indigenous Forum on Biodiversity.