Episode 36 – What are we protecting? Indigenous Peoples’ perspectives on the ‘30 by 30’ conservation target 

In December 2022, world leaders at the Convention on Biological Diversity adopted a proposal to conserve 30% of the Earth by 2030. This proposal was highly controversial and has met with varied reactions from Indigenous Peoples. In this episode, hosts Claudia Deeg and Devin Domeyer discuss the history of conservation’s violence towards Indigenous Peoples, Indigenous Peoples’ perspectives on the 30 by 30 proposal, and what happened during the negotiations. This episode features an interview with Jennifer (Jing) Corpuz, lead negotiator on conservation targets for the International Indigenous Forum on Biodiversity. 

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Claudia Deeg head shot

Claudia Deeg (she/her) is a Master of Environmental Management program at Duke University. She works as a policy associate on small-scale fisheries policy and management. Her thesis research is focused on the vulnerability of small-scale fishers to climate change with a focus on subsistence fishers and women.



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Devin Domeyer (she/her) is a Master of Environmental Management student at Duke University. She is experienced as an ecologist, community organizer and communications professional. Her research interests are in oyster ecology and seagrass farm management.



Featured Interview

Jennifer (Jing) Tauli Corpuz, from the Kankana-ey Igorot People of Mountain Province in the Philippines, and a lawyer by profession, is the Global Policy and Advocacy Lead for Nia Tero. She is a negotiator and expert for the International Indigenous Forum on Biodiversity (IIFB), representing indigenous peoples, at the Convention on Biological Diversity, including at negotiations on conservation-related targets, including the 30 by 30 proposal.


Series Host

Lisa Campbell head shot

Dr. Lisa Campbell hosts the Conservation and Development series. The series showcases the work of students who produce podcasts as a course project. Lisa introduced a podcast assignment after 16 years of teaching, in an effort to direct student energy and effort to a project that would enjoy a wider audience.